what are the best brakes to upgrade to? - Page 3

toofastforyou · 25-01-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan

I did know that this site > http://www.ears.co.uk/index.php were doing a good deal on the Alcon kit at one point if you want to give them a call

Sorry mate, I got the username wrong, I know the guy I mean but can't remember his name on here

thanks mate but i bought the alcons from tms today

shane@mbtech · 25-01-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by toofastforyou

thanks mate but i bought the alcons from tms today

I just paid £1300 for Alcon front kit for my evo X, brand new from mitsi, same caliper as you have bought,

I will be purchasing the rears too, they are £1150, so front and rear kit, full kit inc ds2500 pads, hoses, mounts etc under £2500inc vat.

I think to run alcons the M3 needs a bigger master cylinder set-up.
That is why the AP feel like they have a better initial bite IMO.

I have ran various set-ups on my M3 and CSL. The Alcon were very good yes, but they were not balanced for the car, giving too much rear bias, which ultimately made me slower. This is IMO. A couple of the ex CSL cup lads were ditching their alcons for this reason. Fast road and fun track will be fine, but when really really pushing hard on track/racing, the alcon upsets the back end and sacrifices corner entry/exit speeds.

I ran AP's, never had any issues,

They are all as good as each other, the Alcon look better, but replacement disc/pads cost more.

Horses for courses mate.

The alcons will not disappoint, for what I believe you will use them for.

**shimmy** · 25-01-2011, 11:32 PM

lawsy

cant this alcon thing be solved with some front brake bias or messing around with pad compounds?

toofastforyou · 25-01-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lawsy

I just paid £1300 for Alcon front kit for my evo X, brand new from mitsi, same caliper as you have bought,

I will be purchasing the rears too, they are £1150, so front and rear kit, full kit inc ds2500 pads, hoses, mounts etc under £2500inc vat.

I think to run alcons the M3 needs a bigger master cylinder set-up.
That is why the AP feel like they have a better initial bite IMO.

I have ran various set-ups on my M3 and CSL. The Alcon were very good yes, but they were not balanced for the car, giving too much rear bias, which ultimately made me slower. This is IMO. A couple of the ex CSL cup lads were ditching their alcons for this reason. Fast road and fun track will be fine, but when really really pushing hard on track/racing, the alcon upsets the back end and sacrifices corner entry/exit speeds.

I ran AP's, never had any issues,

They are all as good as each other, the Alcon look better, but replacement disc/pads cost more.

Horses for courses mate.

The alcons will not disappoint, for what I believe you will use them for.

great NOW you tell me after i already bought em.

**shimmy** · 25-01-2011, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by toofastforyou

great NOW you tell me after i already bought em.

dont worry, with your clubfoot and lack of balance youll never notice

toofastforyou · 25-01-2011, 11:51 PM

and if the cost of alcon front and rears is 2.5k how come tms retail em for 4150? from what i researched i thought alcons were better cos they use monoblock calipers?

toofastforyou · 25-01-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shimmy

dont worry, with your clubfoot and lack of balance youll never notice

shane@mbtech · 26-01-2011, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by shimmy

lawsy

cant this alcon thing be solved with some front brake bias or messing around with pad compounds?

I tried pad compound, a few different set-ups, still the same.

The only way would be to fit a brake bias control valve then set it up on track IMO. But this is for the enth degree, for track use they will be fine.

The pedal feel will only be resolved by a bigger master cylinder IMO.
The standard master cylinder is designed to run the standard calipers, the alcons will require more fluid movement to operate all the pistons, they are BIG calipers afterall. This is why its not a very sharp pedal,

shane@mbtech · 26-01-2011, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by toofastforyou

and if the cost of alcon front and rears is 2.5k how come tms retail em for 4150? from what i researched i thought alcons were better cos they use monoblock calipers?

Just because Thorney retails them for £4150 does not mean thats how much you can get them for.

http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...ighlight=alcon

Them prices have increased slightly, I bought mine last year.

Theroretically monoblock is better than a 2 piece caliper, but in the real world most will not tell the difference.

The best calipers I feel are brembo 6 pots, that the porsche use.

toofastforyou · 26-01-2011, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lawsy

Just because Thorney retails them for £4150 does not mean thats how much you can get them for.

http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...ighlight=alcon

Them prices have increased slightly, I bought mine last year.

Theroretically monoblock is better than a 2 piece caliper, but in the real world most will not tell the difference.

The best calipers I feel are brembo 6 pots, that the porsche use.

so whats a good price to pay for them then mate?

so what you've got a csl and an evo x then?

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