BMW is tired of the CSL being used as the benchmark for all their new cars LOL! - Page 2

CSLSEM3 · 23-03-2019, 04:28 AM

Sorry to dredge this back up but this crap really feels like the future of BMW.

Fat, overpowered, numb, crowd pleasers. This apparently sells cars to the masses. Personally, I am perfectly fine BMW selling these types of cars. But it would be nice if they could remember their roots and deliver a hard-edged halo car for the die-yards that sweat the brand.

Make the car feel like you are going fast, when you are approaching fast, not at triple digit speeds.

The comfort of a 5 series is great, but if we wanted a 5er we'd go get one. Stop making the 3 into a 5er (too late I guess as the outgoing 3er is the size of an E39). Clearly the 2er is the new 3er.

NVH in a dynamic chassis is good. Take away some weight, and bring back some NVH.

Rant off.

Mperfect · 23-03-2019, 12:11 PM

Rant away

100% agree with all been said. They just don’t seem to understand or care

Somehow, Frohlich portrays an experience that he thinks I want but which definitely doesn’t match my own. BMW made its reputation with me as being the Ultimate Driving Machine and CSL was the pinnacle of that. I will always want that communicative chassis and steering with that distinctive feeling and feedback. A real sense of occasion, a thrill and a joy to drive. To answer Frohlich point, would I walk past the E82 to get to the F87? No.... Why was the swap F32 back to E92 V8 made...
I've been luck enough to have had BMW cars for over 20 years but personably feel M brand no longer priorities that halo and ultimate driving machine experience but maximum profits with minimum investment. Perhaps I’m wrong and I’ve got to that age where I’m suffering from nostalgia sickness. I also think it’s an unfortunate sign of the times when companies ignore the desires their true dedicated support base and believe in there own marketing PR bullshit.

This continued path of lets add more power to combat the lardiness doesn’t wash anymore

Alx · 23-03-2019, 04:02 PM

I have been very disappointed with BMWs philosophy and designs for the past 15 years.

The way things are going, I think the M3 CSL will be my last BMW. And this comes from an (ex)die-hard BMW fan...

I added a manual Porsche 997.2 to the stable and I love it!

**Mike R** · 25-03-2019, 11:26 AM

I concur with all of the above, but feel we are just

khooni · 29-03-2019, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alx

I have been very disappointed with BMWs philosophy and designs for the past 15 years.

The way things are going, I think the M3 CSL will be my last BMW. And this comes from an (ex)die-hard BMW fan...

I added a manual Porsche 997.2 to the stable and I love it!

let me tell ya a secret......
I prefer my CSL to my 997.2 gt3 rs

**Mike R** · 01-04-2019, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khooni

let me tell ya a secret......
I prefer my CSL to my 997.2 gt3 rs

Can you elaborate, as most of us that haven't got one of these, hanker after Pork

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Alx · 01-04-2019, 10:04 AM

On my side, I can tell that I certainly prefer the sound on the CSL, but I really prefer the driving position and the manual gearbox on my simple 997.2 Carrera S.

khooni · 06-04-2019, 08:42 PM

The CSL just feels sharper to me from engine and chassis perspective. The car rotates right by the pedals and just communicates everything.

I'm sure plenty disagree with me.
That's not saying my RS is a so-so car. It's 100% stock but I'm comparing it with my csl which is 100% non-stock

23-03-2019, 04:28 AM	#11
CSLSEM3 S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA Posts: 72 Casino cash: $611	bmw direction Sorry to dredge this back up but this crap really feels like the future of BMW. Fat, overpowered, numb, crowd pleasers. This apparently sells cars to the masses. Personally, I am perfectly fine BMW selling these types of cars. But it would be nice if they could remember their roots and deliver a hard-edged halo car for the die-yards that sweat the brand. Make the car feel like you are going fast, when you are approaching fast, not at triple digit speeds. The comfort of a 5 series is great, but if we wanted a 5er we'd go get one. Stop making the 3 into a 5er (too late I guess as the outgoing 3er is the size of an E39). Clearly the 2er is the new 3er. NVH in a dynamic chassis is good. Take away some weight, and bring back some NVH. Rant off.

23-03-2019, 04:02 PM	#13
Alx S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 487 Casino cash: $25116	I have been very disappointed with BMWs philosophy and designs for the past 15 years. The way things are going, I think the M3 CSL will be my last BMW. And this comes from an (ex)die-hard BMW fan... I added a manual Porsche 997.2 to the stable and I love it! __________________ ///Alex

25-03-2019, 11:26 AM	#14
Mike R S6, Sport On, Traction Off Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norwich Posts: 1,582 Casino cash: $17548	I concur with all of the above, but feel we are just __________________ Mike R Sarcasm is just a free service I provide. Nordschleife, there's only two barriers to worry about - the ones on the left and the ones on the right . CSL number 044

01-04-2019, 10:04 AM	#17
Alx S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 487 Casino cash: $25116	On my side, I can tell that I certainly prefer the sound on the CSL, but I really prefer the driving position and the manual gearbox on my simple 997.2 Carrera S. __________________ ///Alex

23-03-2019, 12:11 PM	#12
Mperfect Wonky 'L' after Washing Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Walsall, West Midlands Posts: 14 Casino cash: $2017	Rant away 100% agree with all been said. They just don’t seem to understand or care Somehow, Frohlich portrays an experience that he thinks I want but which definitely doesn’t match my own. BMW made its reputation with me as being the Ultimate Driving Machine and CSL was the pinnacle of that. I will always want that communicative chassis and steering with that distinctive feeling and feedback. A real sense of occasion, a thrill and a joy to drive. To answer Frohlich point, would I walk past the E82 to get to the F87? No.... Why was the swap F32 back to E92 V8 made... I've been luck enough to have had BMW cars for over 20 years but personably feel M brand no longer priorities that halo and ultimate driving machine experience but maximum profits with minimum investment. Perhaps I’m wrong and I’ve got to that age where I’m suffering from nostalgia sickness. I also think it’s an unfortunate sign of the times when companies ignore the desires their true dedicated support base and believe in there own marketing PR bullshit. This continued path of lets add more power to combat the lardiness doesn’t wash anymore

06-04-2019, 08:42 PM	#18
khooni S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: east london Posts: 309 Casino cash: $3592	The CSL just feels sharper to me from engine and chassis perspective. The car rotates right by the pedals and just communicates everything. I'm sure plenty disagree with me. That's not saying my RS is a so-so car. It's 100% stock but I'm comparing it with my csl which is 100% non-stock