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Chad · 19-06-2017, 10:13 PM

Hi all,any body left on here that still use there csl, Just looked on pistonheads 20 csl's for sale, about 18 low mileage cars under 60k have I missed something are BMW bringing something out to causes this rush on csl sales, or people just trying to cash in, is it just wishfully thinking on valves or are they actually selling, cars seem to be hanging about for a long time. far to many cars for sale to keep csl special and disirable imho,

any honest views on this chaps

select · 19-06-2017, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad

[...]or people just trying to cash in, is it just wishfully thinking[...]

Chad you pretty much answered your own question already.

Chad · 20-06-2017, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by select

Chad you pretty much answered your own question already.

Hi select. Are csl cars sales going the same way in Germany, or are they harder to find keeping them a bit special ? Flooding the market with cars will only lower valves in my opinion

select · 20-06-2017, 08:09 AM

Hi Chad, basicly its the same story. Currently there are 14 up for sale apart from 1 modified RHD all are around 100.000€ with less than 40.000miles.

But i know that there are a few more seriously low mile examples (around 6000 miles) around but for whatever reasons, are currently not for sale.

Back when i bought mine 3 years ago, there were around 4-5 for sale constantly. And contrary to now.. they were sold in a reasonable amount of time.

Greetings Julian

Chappers · 20-06-2017, 08:20 AM

Well, blimey... Is this the faint *pop* of a bursting bubble or just letting out some air? Can I get out and use mine again rather than constantly worrying about how much it's worth and whether I should sell it?

Chad · 20-06-2017, 08:53 AM

Hi Julian, from memory sure it was the same uk 3 years back apart from asking prices hike. As for selling myself and my lad really don't see anything worth trading in for, after a recent drive in amg range newer cars all seem a bit everyday driver for me..luckily cars weren't bought as investments back in 04 purely because how they looked and drove

Yanto · 20-06-2017, 10:33 AM

If they're not selling, they're overpriced in current market conditions. Simples.

nw99 · 20-06-2017, 11:02 AM

Ferrari , Porsche , CSL etc lots of them are overpriced now and sellers not being able to trade simples .

**glendog74** · 20-06-2017, 11:04 AM

People are now doubt cautious with the current political and economic climate, etc when it comes to spunking a load of money on a 14 year old car...

**PeteGray** · 20-06-2017, 11:53 AM

I think CSL's are slowly changing hands from the traditional 'owner users', who simply bought the car as it was the best thing available that both provided daily transportation and was also mega fun to drive, to 'collector users' who don't need it for transport but appreciate the quality just as much but probably also have half an eye on it's value. This isn't new and has happened before with the E30 M3, the Lancia Delta Integrale, the original CSL and many other truly special cars - it's not a modern phenomenon.

In my view you shouldn't look at the current price of the CSL as something solely connected to the overall rise in collector cars. The CSL would have picked up in price regardless, obviously not to the same degree, but as with other best of their time cars, prices always rise eventually.

Someone already asked in this thread - where do you find a comparable replacement for similar money, it's really hard. I've got a CLK63 Black series as well as the CSL. The CLK is similar in ethos, a bit faster and more useable perhaps but much more expensive and I'm not sure it's actually more special. Where else can you find the CSL sound, performance and balance in this price range? BMW won't sell you anything comparable now, Jaguar are bringing out their Project 8 (which I've ordered) which could get close as it's a track specific proper engineers car and Mercedes perhaps come closest in the mainstream as they at least try to engineer excitement into their top line cars. Porsche make the GT3 but it's a slightly different market and much more expensive. The point being that the CSL is expensive for good engineering and supply and demand reasons.

There's been a lot of CSL's sitting on the market for a while now but they do change and it's not the exact same group with none selling. There's always a handful of 458 Speciales on the market, 599 GTO's, McLaren 675LT's and so on. Speciale cars tend to change hands regularly and it does take a good few months for a car to sell as there's probably only ever a handful of people looking to buy one at any given point.

A good car will sell but it has to be priced right. The high mileage cars with high prices are always going to struggle more as they don't appeal to a wealthy buyer and are too expensive for someone who still wants one to track and rag around in. I sold my SG 39,000 miler for 56k at the start of summer. It took a while but went to a guy in Fulham who has 8 cars in storage. His storage company (who bought the car from me for him) swap his cars every couple of weeks and he just fancied a CSL. Lots of people with really proper high end car collections are now putting CSL's in their garages and it's this which helps to support the higher price.

I'm selling my 24k miles CSL soon as I don't use it enough. What will I replace it with? Simple, a high mileage CSL.

19-06-2017, 10:13 PM	#1
Chad S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: May 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 631 Casino cash: $7782	Cars for sale Hi all,any body left on here that still use there csl, Just looked on pistonheads 20 csl's for sale, about 18 low mileage cars under 60k have I missed something are BMW bringing something out to causes this rush on csl sales, or people just trying to cash in, is it just wishfully thinking on valves or are they actually selling, cars seem to be hanging about for a long time. far to many cars for sale to keep csl special and disirable imho, any honest views on this chaps Last edited by Chad; 19-06-2017 at 10:30 PM.

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select S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 475 Casino cash: $6813	Hi Chad, basicly its the same story. Currently there are 14 up for sale apart from 1 modified RHD all are around 100.000€ with less than 40.000miles. But i know that there are a few more seriously low mile examples (around 6000 miles) around but for whatever reasons, are currently not for sale. Back when i bought mine 3 years ago, there were around 4-5 for sale constantly. And contrary to now.. they were sold in a reasonable amount of time. Greetings Julian __________________ Greetings, Julian. Last edited by select; 20-06-2017 at 08:12 AM.

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Chappers S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 388 Casino cash: $9894	Well, blimey... Is this the faint pop of a bursting bubble or just letting out some air? Can I get out and use mine again rather than constantly worrying about how much it's worth and whether I should sell it? __________________ 5.3 earth circumferences done, roll on number 6...

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Chad S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: May 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 631 Casino cash: $7782	Hi Julian, from memory sure it was the same uk 3 years back apart from asking prices hike. As for selling myself and my lad really don't see anything worth trading in for, after a recent drive in amg range newer cars all seem a bit everyday driver for me..luckily cars weren't bought as investments back in 04 purely because how they looked and drove Last edited by Chad; 20-06-2017 at 10:31 AM.

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20-06-2017, 11:53 AM	#10
PeteGray S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 135 Casino cash: $3932	I think CSL's are slowly changing hands from the traditional 'owner users', who simply bought the car as it was the best thing available that both provided daily transportation and was also mega fun to drive, to 'collector users' who don't need it for transport but appreciate the quality just as much but probably also have half an eye on it's value. This isn't new and has happened before with the E30 M3, the Lancia Delta Integrale, the original CSL and many other truly special cars - it's not a modern phenomenon. In my view you shouldn't look at the current price of the CSL as something solely connected to the overall rise in collector cars. The CSL would have picked up in price regardless, obviously not to the same degree, but as with other best of their time cars, prices always rise eventually. Someone already asked in this thread - where do you find a comparable replacement for similar money, it's really hard. I've got a CLK63 Black series as well as the CSL. The CLK is similar in ethos, a bit faster and more useable perhaps but much more expensive and I'm not sure it's actually more special. Where else can you find the CSL sound, performance and balance in this price range? BMW won't sell you anything comparable now, Jaguar are bringing out their Project 8 (which I've ordered) which could get close as it's a track specific proper engineers car and Mercedes perhaps come closest in the mainstream as they at least try to engineer excitement into their top line cars. Porsche make the GT3 but it's a slightly different market and much more expensive. The point being that the CSL is expensive for good engineering and supply and demand reasons. There's been a lot of CSL's sitting on the market for a while now but they do change and it's not the exact same group with none selling. There's always a handful of 458 Speciales on the market, 599 GTO's, McLaren 675LT's and so on. Speciale cars tend to change hands regularly and it does take a good few months for a car to sell as there's probably only ever a handful of people looking to buy one at any given point. A good car will sell but it has to be priced right. The high mileage cars with high prices are always going to struggle more as they don't appeal to a wealthy buyer and are too expensive for someone who still wants one to track and rag around in. I sold my SG 39,000 miler for 56k at the start of summer. It took a while but went to a guy in Fulham who has 8 cars in storage. His storage company (who bought the car from me for him) swap his cars every couple of weeks and he just fancied a CSL. Lots of people with really proper high end car collections are now putting CSL's in their garages and it's this which helps to support the higher price. I'm selling my 24k miles CSL soon as I don't use it enough. What will I replace it with? Simple, a high mileage CSL.