Alcon brake kits - Page 2

**glendog74** · 15-01-2014, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by shimmy

Any track unless you drive like Yanto will soon find the limit of the OEM even with pads and fluid upgrades.

mr sagman · 15-01-2014, 12:30 AM

Ha ha , Hope Yanto's not on line tonight lol.. Seems like a no brainer to me.. these brakes look the bollocks, Only decision for me is whether to bite the bullet and bust the credit card now, Or whether to do the first euro trip with upgraded pads/hoses/fluid and see 'how it goes' And potentially buy the F&R later in the year when funds allow and track days beckon. God my head hurts (And my wallet).

Rick H · 15-01-2014, 07:36 AM

I have these on F & B (in CSL Cup form with RS29 all round - ex-KPNutz) and they're pretty much nothing then everything. I had them fitted at Darren Woods, when I picked the car up the guys warned me I needed to be careful as the pads needed warming up - I drove off and promptly ended up flying onto a roundabout - luckily nothing was coming!!! This wasn't the pads as I've run RS29 since getting the car. The issue was the difference in pedal travel from the stock brakes - the Alcons go right down before they kick in and then they kick in hard.

On the Wales trip, I got the measure of them and they were awesome. I haven't driven APs, but talking it through with Ben, the APs would appear to bite a lot sooner and they are far more progressive as pressure is applied.

Credit to Darren Woods for the fitting and warning, the brakes are awesome as I say but they are a different animal to stock, the pedal needs to go down to get the benefit.

shane@mbtech · 15-01-2014, 08:15 AM

Fitted a lot of alcons and they need bleeding very methodically. I found the same as you first time round, then re bled with different process, and completely different.

I find the alcons are better for road driving than the AP as they are not quite as aggressive on initial application.

Rick H · 15-01-2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by lawsy

Fitted a lot of alcons and they need bleeding very methodically. I found the same as you first time round, then re bled with different process, and completely different.

I find the alcons are better for road driving than the AP as they are not quite as aggressive on initial application.

Thats interesting to know thanks, it maybe worth getting them re-bled when the car is back on the road in the Spring. It being DW, I would assume it was a proper job though, they're highly rated by everybody. They have GT1 etc.

SMD · 15-01-2014, 09:32 AM

E92 option Shane?

Das Chin · 15-01-2014, 10:11 AM

nice looking kit and great price. considering most people ditch the DS 2500s with the AP kit then makes even more sense.

lovely disc pattern and build and colour. would go well with an SB or SG CSL.

shane@mbtech · 15-01-2014, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick H

Thats interesting to know thanks, it maybe worth getting them re-bled when the car is back on the road in the Spring. It being DW, I would assume it was a proper job though, they're highly rated by everybody. They have GT1 etc.

Not judging their ability as I they seem to know their onions, but ive seen many garages bleed 6 pot calipers incorrectly, ie wrong nipple first.

If they used a machine to pressure bleed them then that doesn't work well I've found on the big brakes.

We do all the big brake kit bleeds manually.

shane@mbtech · 15-01-2014, 12:50 PM

Rick your brakes don't sound right after reading the roundabout scenario.

Monkey · 15-01-2014, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawsy

Not judging their ability as I they seem to know their onions, but ive seen many garages bleed 6 pot calipers incorrectly, ie wrong nipple first.

If they used a machine to pressure bleed them then that doesn't work well I've found on the big brakes.

We do all the big brake kit bleeds manually.

Found this as well. Usually do an initial bleed with the pressure bleeder, use Autologic to bleed the DSC & then finish off with a manual bleed. Almost always get some air out when doing it manually.

As has been highlighted, you should have little pedal travel with big brake kits, I'd definately look at getting them bled again.

15-01-2014, 10:11 AM	#17
Das Chin S5 - Full Throttle Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: kent Posts: 477 Casino cash: $5938	nice looking kit and great price. considering most people ditch the DS 2500s with the AP kit then makes even more sense. lovely disc pattern and build and colour. would go well with an SB or SG CSL. __________________ 996 GT3 mk2 Guards Red

15-01-2014, 12:30 AM	#12
mr sagman S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 59 Casino cash: $2522	Ha ha , Hope Yanto's not on line tonight lol.. Seems like a no brainer to me.. these brakes look the bollocks, Only decision for me is whether to bite the bullet and bust the credit card now, Or whether to do the first euro trip with upgraded pads/hoses/fluid and see 'how it goes' And potentially buy the F&R later in the year when funds allow and track days beckon. God my head hurts (And my wallet).

15-01-2014, 07:36 AM	#13
Rick H S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: The North West Posts: 801 Casino cash: $12295	I have these on F & B (in CSL Cup form with RS29 all round - ex-KPNutz) and they're pretty much nothing then everything. I had them fitted at Darren Woods, when I picked the car up the guys warned me I needed to be careful as the pads needed warming up - I drove off and promptly ended up flying onto a roundabout - luckily nothing was coming!!! This wasn't the pads as I've run RS29 since getting the car. The issue was the difference in pedal travel from the stock brakes - the Alcons go right down before they kick in and then they kick in hard. On the Wales trip, I got the measure of them and they were awesome. I haven't driven APs, but talking it through with Ben, the APs would appear to bite a lot sooner and they are far more progressive as pressure is applied. Credit to Darren Woods for the fitting and warning, the brakes are awesome as I say but they are a different animal to stock, the pedal needs to go down to get the benefit.

15-01-2014, 08:15 AM	#14
shane@mbtech CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: warrington Posts: 5,419 Casino cash: $19783	Fitted a lot of alcons and they need bleeding very methodically. I found the same as you first time round, then re bled with different process, and completely different. I find the alcons are better for road driving than the AP as they are not quite as aggressive on initial application.

15-01-2014, 09:32 AM	#16
SMD S6, Sport On, Traction Off Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1,505 Casino cash: $10726	E92 option Shane?

15-01-2014, 12:50 PM	#19
shane@mbtech CSL Register Uber-poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: warrington Posts: 5,419 Casino cash: $19783	Rick your brakes don't sound right after reading the roundabout scenario.