M2 Competition slower around the 'Ring than CSL shocker

[Mike R]

Originally Posted by shimmy

How is the M2CS 50kg heavier than M2?

They are saying due to the extra cooling requirements of the engine.

[Pip1968]

"50kg heavier" It is a shame almost as if the M Division could not be bothered.



Porsche GT3 RS are lighter than the GT3 and the Competition should have been made lighter than the M2. To upsell the M2 as a 'Competition' edition and not bother to lighten it..... just lazy economics.


Pip

[shimmy]

Marketing over meaning if you ask me

They need to get serious about M cars again and not just concentrate on electric vehicles

[Trawler]

Originally Posted by shimmy

Marketing over meaning if you ask me

They need to get serious about M cars again and not just concentrate on electric vehicles

Doubt they will get serious when it appears the majority of people are more interested about the name/model & what extras are fitted (TV, heated electric seats, etc.) and not just the driving enjoyment. There is not one M car that interests me at the moment.

It has been said before M now stands for marketing

[shimmy]

Originally Posted by Trawler

Doubt they will get serious when it appears the majority of people are more interested about the name/model & what extras are fitted (TV, heated electric seats, etc.) and not just the driving enjoyment. There is not one M car that interests me at the moment.

It has been said before M now stands for marketing

I agree, M2 was a nice touch originally but apart from turbo tech they have gone nowhere with M in 15 years really. Just look at the progress in the 15 years before CSL

[select]

To be honest, the E92 GTS in my opinion is a worthy successor to the CSL.
However given its rarity one might argue whether if its even a car or a mere collectors item.

[Trawler]

Originally Posted by select

To be honest, the E92 GTS in my opinion is a worthy successor to the CSL.
However given its rarity one might argue whether if its even a car or a mere collectors item.

Forgot about the E92 GTS. Enjoyed my run up a hill in it with a BMW pro driver. He preferred it to the M4 GTS.

[Pip1968]

Fair point but it is still 1543 kilogrammes. Whilst that is not bad these days with all these 'new' lighrtweight materials why can they not make something closer to CSL weight (~1385kg). Basically the e92 M3 GTS vs e46 M3 CSL weight difference is smiilar to the e46 M3 (std) and M3 CSL.



I suppose we could say well done BMW for coming out with such a large car that has a similar weight to a smaller car 10 years older.


As said though they dont seem to be interested in making driver's cars but then 'drivers' too are also in a minority. Look at all the morons driving with satnavs illuminating their screens as well as blocking the view when most of them are on the same old roads they always drive. Constantly on their phones or watching films as they drive.


Pip