New M4 Ring lap time

[3wheels3]

Fwd locked on the CSL nowadays - Magane 7:54 lol

[shane@mbtech]

Old hat these CSL Ian

Bet your glad you sold yours.

Anyway when are you popping over for a brew, cookie jar is constantly full nowadays, one of my mates keeps stocking it

[Das Chin]

bit warmer and on the new cup 2 tyre that would be closer to 7m 25 or 30.

game has moved on a lot. Tyres as well as the car

the cup 2 is supposed to be awesome. Went to Goodwood with Michelin and techy guy was telling me all about the cup 2. All the supercars n big hybrids run them bar Ferrari who are on Pirelli.

[GregorJP]

What's interesting about the new M4 is the ease with which the power can be upped by tuners. Litchfield was at DN10 with a new M4, not a GTR. Should be a bigger market to address, probably quite easy to extract more power relatively cheaply.

I asked Ian what he thought about the M4 and he said it's a difficult car to improve. He loved it. Looked very nice in the flesh, I thought.

But I still wouldn't have it over Cesil.

[digi]

As a profit center, I believe ///M division will make more $$$ from these new M3 M4's, but as a market segment leader, its nowhere to be seen for people that patron forums like this.

CSL is from a different era and still in my mind the ultimate representation of ///M division (I'm biased )

///M2 would be interesting though as the history correlates very well with the 2002 turbo.

Saw a 220i today and it looks really nice. Has decent proportions.

[Neil M]

Originally Posted by digi

As a profit center, I believe ///M division will make more $$$ from these new M3 M4's, but as a market segment leader, its nowhere to be seen for people that patron forums like this.

CSL is from a different era and still in my mind the ultimate representation of ///M division (I'm biased )

///M2 would be interesting though as the history correlates very well with the 2002 turbo.

Spot on digi, I couldn't have put it better myself.

[AlexGTT]

For me, I'm not much interested in M division cars now. In my opinion they last had an equivalent GT3 aimed car with the CSL. That was the last time BMW put out a roadcar product that was just about, give or take, 996 GT3 level.

Forget all this tuned bollocks, I'm talking oem standard cars.

Since then they've chased a different market and are worse for it. Porsche march on producing single minded drivers cars. BMW go for mass produce and widely appealing cars. That's OK and the name of the game is to make money but imagine how great their appeal would be if they just for once said fuck it, let's produce a bonkers car for the enthusiasts.

Porsche produce a bonkers road car that makes the basis for a highly successful GT racing division.

BMW produce the Z4 GTR, GT3 spec racer and you can't buy anything like the equivalent road car. I had slightly more respect for the situation when they raced the E92 M3 GTR but they never backed that up with a proper GT3 specified road car. Forget the GTS because that doesn't cut it.

Therefore I've lost interest, stick with the CSL and pine after the latest greatest 991 GT3 and coming RS.

I live in hope for a proper, ballsy M2 but I fear I'll be disappointed.

[glendog74]

Originally Posted by AlexGTT

For me, I'm not much interested in M division cars now. In my opinion they last had an equivalent GT3 aimed car with the CSL. That was the last time BMW put out a roadcar product that was just about, give or take, 996 GT3 level.

Forget all this tuned bollocks, I'm talking oem standard cars.

Since then they've chased a different market and are worse for it. Porsche march on producing single minded drivers cars. BMW go for mass produce and widely appealing cars. That's OK and the name of the game is to make money but imagine how great their appeal would be if they just for once said fuck it, let's produce a bonkers car for the enthusiasts.

Porsche produce a bonkers road car that makes the basis for a highly successful GT racing division.

BMW produce the Z4 GTR, GT3 spec racer and you can't buy anything like the equivalent road car. I had slightly more respect for the situation when they raced the E92 M3 GTR but they never backed that up with a proper GT3 specified road car. Forget the GTS because that doesn't cut it.

Therefore I've lost interest, stick with the CSL and pine after the latest greatest 991 GT3 and coming RS.

I live in hope for a proper, ballsy M2 but I fear I'll be disappointed.

[shawn 968cs]

Originally Posted by alexk

I agree, the 991s is doing 7:40 on supersports...

That's where the new M3 should be in the 7.40's to keep pace with all the other manufacturers, especially with the Megane's breathing down their necks at 7.54.

They need to release some more power with an update (like McLaren did to new cars and retrospectively with the supplied cars), as the articles are showing the 0-60's being 4.2 instead of the claimed 4.1. hopefully get lap time into 7.48's / 7.49's
If they bring a light weight version out as its been spoken about on here, I reckon it will still be behind stk 991.

Also I have a sneaky gut renching feeling the new C class AMG will be in front!
Game over!

At this rate CSL's could be the last of the great M3's, will be good for the values though


Shawn

[Gibbo]

7:52 is not bad on SuperSports.

Put it on cups and it will be under 7:50

Put it on the newer cup2 and it will be lower again, the fast times the FWD hatches have being setting was on cup 2's. Which is a very sticky tyre for dry/wet use on track.