The make or break question.... - Page 3

**Mike R** · 28-08-2013, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexk

From youtube ->

A BTG lap during GranTurismo trackday 30.4.2013
Car: BMW M3 E92 Schirmer V8 GT
Engine: Standard with Akrapovic exhaust (431 HP on Dyno)
Tires: New Dunlop Direzza 03G (265/35x18 - 285/30x1

Suspension: Nitron with Schirmer kinematics and setup
Car weight: abt.1600kg with driver
The car has unbelievable handling and balance
"It is all about the handling - not horsepower"

So 431HP and 1600kg is faster than 1320kg and 620HP which happens to be Porsche's best car...
Makes you wonder

I think that they're being pessimistic about the weight, as the owner of the white car says it was 1450kg without driver. However, I have seen pictures of the German owner, and he is a big lad, so I'd guess at 1570, hence rounding up.

Don't forget EVERY car has to have a driver in it

.

Look at the cars it is faster than at last year's Tuner Grand Prix:
http://www.carunch.com/2012-auto-tun...-cars-results/

_Nathan_ · 28-08-2013, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexk

From youtube ->

A BTG lap during GranTurismo trackday 30.4.2013
Car: BMW M3 E92 Schirmer V8 GT
Engine: Standard with Akrapovic exhaust (431 HP on Dyno)
Tires: New Dunlop Direzza 03G (265/35x18 - 285/30x1

Suspension: Nitron with Schirmer kinematics and setup
Car weight: abt.1600kg with driver
The car has unbelievable handling and balance
"It is all about the handling - not horsepower"

So 431HP and 1600kg is faster than 1320kg and 620HP which happens to be Porsche's best car...
Makes you wonder

1320 with driver?

**alexk** · 28-08-2013, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Nathan_

1320 with driver?

No I believe the 997 GT2 RS is 1320kg without the driver.
So let's say 1400kg with the driver.

**Mike R** · 28-08-2013, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexk

No I believe the 997 GT2 RS is 1320kg without the driver.
So let's say 1400kg with the driver.

Look how much faster the HEAVIER 991 GT3 (DCT) is than the more powerful 997 GT3 RS 4.0 (manual) - the Schirmer cars are DCT

. It's not JUST about power to weight, just think how many seconds a lap a DCT car is able to shave off a manual shifter (part of the reason the CSL punches above it's power to weight Can be attributed to the shift speed of the SMG car compared to a manual

).

_Nathan_ · 28-08-2013, 09:17 PM

Surprised it is that light, non RS is 1440 without driver I think?

Road cars are all shit on track anyway in the big scheme of things so just get the one that makes you smile the most!

shane@mbtech · 28-08-2013, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Nathan_

Surprised it is that light, non RS is 1440 without driver I think?

Road cars are all shit on track anyway in the big scheme of things so just get the one that makes you smile the most!

Very true.

The Gorilla · 28-08-2013, 10:47 PM

Hi,

To do 7.05 BTG [19.1km] your average
speed is over 100 mph per hour
ie ] over a 161 Kmh

To put that into perspective it means that
that at ''Spa'' faster Circuit, you would be able to do
a Lap time of 2.36 !!!!!!!

Not sure who is smoking what.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

gav · 28-08-2013, 10:52 PM

The black dauxx e92 is very nice. Looks the purpose as well. Seen it at schirmers a few times when having a few things sorted.
Very sorted on the ring.

Would very much like one (schirmer one, not a standard one)

shane@mbtech · 28-08-2013, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gorilla

Hi,

To do 7.05 BTG [19.1km] your average
speed is over 100 mph per hour
ie ] over a 161 Kmh

To put that into perspective it means that
that at ''Spa'' faster Circuit, you would be able to do
a Lap time of 2.36 !!!!!!!

Not sure who is smoking what.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

You cannot compare ring average speeds to spa average speeds. Bit naive to even compare really.

f1 average speed ranges from 163.5kph to 262.2kph on the slowest to fastest circuit.

cslsuperfan · 28-08-2013, 11:34 PM

E92 M3 DCT with EDC an absolute must...gearbox is sublime.....however that's about it

Wont repeat the wise words of other well informed peeps but having owned both the E92 M3 and the mighty csl i'm afraid the V8 just doesn't cut it against BMW's finest.

The CSL is an event every time you go out.....the final straw was my wife saying she liked driving the V8 in auto!!
she wont go within 100 yards of the CSL....says it's scary!

What more can I say

28-08-2013, 09:17 PM	#25
_Nathan_ Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,099 Casino cash: $13060	Surprised it is that light, non RS is 1440 without driver I think? Road cars are all shit on track anyway in the big scheme of things so just get the one that makes you smile the most! __________________ Nathan

28-08-2013, 10:52 PM	#28
gav S4 - Getting the hang of it Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 211 Casino cash: $9245	The black dauxx e92 is very nice. Looks the purpose as well. Seen it at schirmers a few times when having a few things sorted. Very sorted on the ring. Would very much like one (schirmer one, not a standard one) Last edited by gav; 28-08-2013 at 11:37 PM.

28-08-2013, 11:34 PM	#30
cslsuperfan Driving it like I nicked it Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: wales Posts: 2,222 Casino cash: $19520	e92 V CSL E92 M3 DCT with EDC an absolute must...gearbox is sublime.....however that's about it Wont repeat the wise words of other well informed peeps but having owned both the E92 M3 and the mighty csl i'm afraid the V8 just doesn't cut it against BMW's finest. The CSL is an event every time you go out.....the final straw was my wife saying she liked driving the V8 in auto!! she wont go within 100 yards of the CSL....says it's scary! What more can I say

28-08-2013, 10:47 PM	#27
The Gorilla S5, Sport Off, DSC M-track Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 740 Casino cash: $14401	Hi, To do 7.05 BTG [19.1km] your average speed is over 100 mph per hour ie ] over a 161 Kmh To put that into perspective it means that that at ''Spa'' faster Circuit, you would be able to do a Lap time of 2.36 !!!!!!! Not sure who is smoking what. Regards, The Gorilla.