csl vs gts. Spa track day

octainejunkee · 10-09-2014, 10:13 PM

The owner of the GTS was a top guy and said he had owned the csl gtr built by simpsons in the past.

I improved my times loads towards the end of the day but figured this would be of most interest to you guys..

**shimmy** · 10-09-2014, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by octainejunkee

The owner of the GTS was a top guy and said he had owned the csl gtr built by simpsons in the past.

I improved my times loads towards the end of the day but figured this would be of most interest to you guys..

Cheers Jamie

cslsuperfan · 10-09-2014, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by octainejunkee

The owner of the GTS was a top guy and said he had owned the csl gtr built by simpsons in the past.

I improved my times loads towards the end of the day but figured this would be of most interest to you guys..

Cheers Jamie

Rick H · 19-10-2014, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cslsuperfan

I seem to recall Gorilla was the proud owner of the Simpson CSL...

Interesting quote on the Simpson website description of a CSL . . .

"We actually took an M3 CSL road car and stripped it entirely. These are readily available now for not much more money than a normal M3 coupe, and have expensive items such as the carbon roof and carbon airbox already in place."

mattCSLnut · 19-10-2014, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick H

Interesting quote on the Simpson website description of a CSL . . .

"We actually took an M3 CSL road car and stripped it entirely. These are readily available now for not much more money than a normal M3 coupe, and have expensive items such as the carbon roof and carbon airbox already in place."

I think a bit of an update may be required

Rick H · 19-10-2014, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mattCSLnut

I think a bit of an update may be required

Too true - seems odd to read it these days . . .

mattCSLnut · 19-10-2014, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick H

Too true - seems odd to read it these days . . .

I hope one of their regular CSL customers will point this out soon

TonyR · 11-09-2014, 12:03 AM

I built two csls, one of which was the red gtr race car on Simpsons website and the other was the black road car version that Gorilla bought from me.

The video is little deceptive a I'd just got on the track with cold tyres and an instructor. We were trying out different things so trying to concentrate on what he was saying while a csl was up my arse was a bit tricky! I knew the csl owner wanted to see what the gts was like from a chat just before I went out with the instructor hence why I waited a bit then let him past.

The deep line I pif paf was the instructors idea as the car wasn't very happy there with a normal line, nor in rivage or the entry to stavelot. We found the next day it was much happier with traction fully off and some camber and tire pressure adjustments, as well as a little less rear wing.

Was seeing 2:57 day two with two up and lots of traffic. 2:55 is easily done but I think there is a 2:50 in the car as it stands and less with a couple of tweaks.

Both cars have kw suspension and brakes and similar power to weights. The gts has a torque advantage and in some corners a grip one.

My big issue is that driving is not the same since I had two eye operations and I can't easily focus around corners or pick braking points with any accuracy. I'm having to adapt everything and it's taken most of the last two years to get any confidence or pace back, and a far cry from when I used to race 10'yrs ago.

Please bear that in mind as some of the comments on the video presumably from the passenger were a bit unkind.

I thought the csl was very well driven

octainejunkee · 11-09-2014, 07:32 AM

Hi mate no disrespect intended- passenger was a little excited and on a high from us keeping up with you hence the comments

As we had just spoke, i knew you were having some instruction tuition and so wanted to leave you space but couldnt resist keeping up to see how it went.-

I really enjoyed the whole day and managed some much better times without a passenger and a car full of two peoples luggage etc.

Last time i was at Spa, i was in my 460/530 bhp/lbft 1M and had opposite lock on up Eau Rouge, which has left me treating it with alot more respect, seem to be loosing alot of time there but i'm gradually building up to a fast line through there again

My pal was filming at the bus stop chicane on the red flag lap and said alot of spectators gave us a cheer when my mates rwd r35gtr, me and your gts came through there sideways...

Look forward to seeing you at another event in the future ?
cheers Jamie

TonyR · 11-09-2014, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by octainejunkee

Hi mate no disrespect intended- passenger was a little excited and on a high from us keeping up with you hence the comments

As we had just spoke, i knew you were having some instruction tuition and so wanted to leave you space but couldnt resist keeping up to see how it went.-

I really enjoyed the whole day and managed some much better times without a passenger and a car full of two peoples luggage etc.

Last time i was at Spa, i was in my 460/530 bhp/lbft 1M and had opposite lock on up Eau Rouge, which has left me treating it with alot more respect, seem to be loosing alot of time there but i'm gradually building up to a fast line through there again

My pal was filming at the bus stop chicane on the red flag lap and said alot of spectators gave us a cheer when my mates rwd r35gtr, me and your gts came through there sideways...

Look forward to seeing you at another event in the future ?
cheers Jamie

No worries

Think the car will be quicker next time though with exhaust, map, proper geo (it hasn't had one at all) and better tyres (PZero Trofeo I hope).

If I hadn't changed the tyres to the Dunlops, I would have been ALOT slower with the stock Pirelli Corsas. Thing is, your car is a good deal quicker than a stock CSL, so if you compared like for like, the GTS vs CSL out the box, the GTS would be much quicker. Do what you did to yours, and the gap narrows. But, if you added a cage and extinguisher, like the GTS has, then you would fall behind again.

I think ultimately the GTS and E92 is faster than the E46 from its potential, but we are talking a few seconds here - not a massive amount, and one that is easily removed with a couple of mistakes and/or traffic.

What events you planning? I'm definitely at Silverstone with Circuit Days (November 6th) but may do something else in September. Car was a little tired when I got back

I used to track my CSL back in '04, with a cage, 265 cups all round, Intrax, APs, seats, harnesses etc - and it was a similar experience and lap time to the GTS. That car eventually became Gorilla's GTR

10-09-2014, 10:13 PM	#1
octainejunkee S3 - On the open road Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: gatwick Posts: 115 Casino cash: $31	csl vs gts. Spa track day The owner of the GTS was a top guy and said he had owned the csl gtr built by simpsons in the past. I improved my times loads towards the end of the day but figured this would be of most interest to you guys..

11-09-2014, 12:03 AM	#8
TonyR S2 - Picking it up Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 58 Casino cash: $635	I built two csls, one of which was the red gtr race car on Simpsons website and the other was the black road car version that Gorilla bought from me. The video is little deceptive a I'd just got on the track with cold tyres and an instructor. We were trying out different things so trying to concentrate on what he was saying while a csl was up my arse was a bit tricky! I knew the csl owner wanted to see what the gts was like from a chat just before I went out with the instructor hence why I waited a bit then let him past. The deep line I pif paf was the instructors idea as the car wasn't very happy there with a normal line, nor in rivage or the entry to stavelot. We found the next day it was much happier with traction fully off and some camber and tire pressure adjustments, as well as a little less rear wing. Was seeing 2:57 day two with two up and lots of traffic. 2:55 is easily done but I think there is a 2:50 in the car as it stands and less with a couple of tweaks. Both cars have kw suspension and brakes and similar power to weights. The gts has a torque advantage and in some corners a grip one. My big issue is that driving is not the same since I had two eye operations and I can't easily focus around corners or pick braking points with any accuracy. I'm having to adapt everything and it's taken most of the last two years to get any confidence or pace back, and a far cry from when I used to race 10'yrs ago. Please bear that in mind as some of the comments on the video presumably from the passenger were a bit unkind. I thought the csl was very well driven Last edited by TonyR; 11-09-2014 at 12:05 AM.

11-09-2014, 07:32 AM	#9
octainejunkee S3 - On the open road Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: gatwick Posts: 115 Casino cash: $31	Hi mate no disrespect intended- passenger was a little excited and on a high from us keeping up with you hence the comments As we had just spoke, i knew you were having some instruction tuition and so wanted to leave you space but couldnt resist keeping up to see how it went.- I really enjoyed the whole day and managed some much better times without a passenger and a car full of two peoples luggage etc. Last time i was at Spa, i was in my 460/530 bhp/lbft 1M and had opposite lock on up Eau Rouge, which has left me treating it with alot more respect, seem to be loosing alot of time there but i'm gradually building up to a fast line through there again My pal was filming at the bus stop chicane on the red flag lap and said alot of spectators gave us a cheer when my mates rwd r35gtr, me and your gts came through there sideways... Look forward to seeing you at another event in the future ? cheers Jamie Last edited by octainejunkee; 11-09-2014 at 07:36 AM.