Michelin Cup 2 (two)
 

Has anyone tried the Michelin Cup 2 ?

Any news/feedback/laptimes ?

I wanted to order them but Michelin told me they don't have our rear tire size :(

I know that 265/30-19 is the preferred, but will a 265/35-19 not work?

http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyre...r19-98y-269619

Technical wizards will chime in here but I think that would upset general settings and balance of the car. Might even result in some rubbing with coilover setups.

I think a friend has tried them on his M3 GTS, but he now swears by the Yokohama Advan Neova:

http://media.unitedfuture-yoko.com.s...8-3Q_large.jpg

http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/de...n_neova_ad08_r

Has anyone tried them?

Cheers,
Alex

Are Michelin claiming an improvement over the current cups?

Your friend needs to learn to driver better :whistle:

When I decide on a final colour for my 18 inch square set up i will be running Yokohama AD08 too

The 35 profile don't look perfect although I found out a few years ago that size perfectly corrects the standard speedo reading (they're usually 5% out)

Do they supply 275 section in 30 profile? If so, wouldn't those work?

I've been told by GT3 drivers that the Cup 2 is an improvement but I wonder if they mean over the Cup+, which is crap.

I will stay with Cups. Well enough proven, the only tyre for the CSL.:smt055

You were there on the same week-end?

I don't know which weekend you are referring too, but I was in contact with him some time ago to do a fair and friendly comparison of the special BMWs and he said the car is not his (his father's) plus he is only interested in Touristenfahrten at the Nordschleife and not in any other racetracks anymore.
My assumption was that at the age of 19, driving for 1 year, he got fed up of all other tracks.

The biggest compliment I hear from Cup 2 users is thread life. Some said It lasts almost twice as Cups. Which would be a huge decision maker for me as our Istanbul Park F1 circuit is a tyre eater.
Wet handling is also said to be better.

Twice as long....Michelin may really dent their sales!!

Every article I read or crap YouTube video I have seen only compares them to cup+.

I doubt there will be much difference between the cup and this.

Might aswell stockpile the cups off tyre leader in advance.

I wouldn't know about that but it somehow seems possible for Cup2 to be superior in many ways as 12 years is a lot of R&D time for improvement.

<coughs>

I think we need to take into account the eco-green requirements of the EU today, fuel consumption, noise etc etc
The original cup made for the CSL had no such compromises, it was all about grip and lightweight and nothing else (i.e. low temperatures, drag, noise, rain driving).

Some times things advance. Other times... not.
Look at the new M3/M4, fantastic machines but they are 1600+ kg !
You would expect that in 2014 they would be able to get them to 1500kg (like an E36 M3 3.2 with all extras), wouldn't you ?

Wet handling is a vast improvement but I'm very sure the comparisons most are making are with the Cup+ which we all know is nothing like the performance of the Cup. These new cup 2's are also designed with efficiency/economy (as Alex mentioned above) and weight in mind. When I think of all that, there's no way they'll perform like a Cup. If it's not wearing it's not gripping.

And with the new EU directive on road noise.

I had a good chat with a Michelin techy guy at Silverstone this week. No data comparing 2s to the original Cups, but as already stated a vast improvement over Cup+

I would say that if your driving is mainly track and you want to be chasing lap times then the original Cup maybe slightly faster, but if you're not chasing ultimate lap times and want a tyre that is great I track but also much improved on the road and in the wet then the Cup+ would be worth a try.

I use Cups on the GT3, but will try Cup+ next time - especially taking into account driving to the Ring, etc :)

Also to add they are planning on a wide range of sizes for these and will be available from your local ATS garage as they are owned by Michelin and often have good discounts available.

Sorry I don't chase laptimes so im happy with Nangkangs

+1

Twat :blalalala:

I put my name on the list at my tyre shop to have the first set of Cup2 when they are produced in our rear size. Also, I am thinking of getting Pirelli Trofeo R, many modified (800HP+) Porsche owners I know swear by it.

Got this from Michelin (UK) today...rears are a while away yet;

Future products:
265/30 ZR19 (93Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch April 2015
235/35 ZR19 (91Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch July 2014

Very high weight ratings for the CSL though.

That's bad news :(
Although the fronts are available at the moment.

Billy, are Cups coming to the end of the line?

Did someone try the cup 2 on track and compared it to original cup tyres ?

no one ?

The CSL size is now available at 265/30/19.

Is anyone going to try it anytime soon ?
It would be good to understand if it's an improvement or not so as we can stock up tyres or not ;)

Great news, where did you get that info ? Did they come up with 265/35/18 too for square setup users ?

some of the GT3 boys really really rate them and they are noticeably better than the old cup tyres in all conditions.

especially damp and wet if a little cold where the old cups were 'entertaining'.

the Cup 2 is not as good as the Trofeo R on track as that is marginally faster.

its the way I am going for my GT3 once the current once are fubarred.

reifendirekt

I am not interested in damp and wet conditions.
I only care about performance in the racetrack.
The porsche crew often compare to the cup+ which is inferior to the original cup.
Thats why I dont know and I keep asking.

hi alex



i've tried a few different versions of cups, on different cars so not able to directly compare but can tell you what ive found, here goes, i apologise for the long winded response but will try and make it as simple as i can



short answer - yes get the cup2's but lower the pressures - lower than cup1's



long answer

ive used original cups on both csl and e46m3 are awesome, as you'll know. correct load rating 87y or 89y i think?



cups used by porsche owners are not the same as the cup+ that are inferior - the e92 m3 bmw fitment, 93/94 speed rating


although they are often marketed as cup+ and printed on the sidewall - on 305 rears but not 235 fronts


n rated cups and cup+ pattern is just a 19inch thing as far as i know, if you order 18inch cups there is no different tread pattern or N rating,


specific cups for porsche are N rated. in 19inch size have a different tread pattern - for 235 section fronts. this has the wider 3 grooves. they are very similar to bmw spec csl original cups, as long as they are the correct 87y speed rating. or 89y rating for the 245/35/19 - as per 997.2 gt3rs


cup+ that ive tried are 245/35/19 section fronts and 265/35/19 rears and have a 93/94 speed rating. on an e46m3. they have the extra groove in the tread pattern. they dont feel like original cups, are more like a road tyre -PS2 - with the cup tread pattern. using these on the ring i've found they feel more like a road tyre for how much grip they have, dont feel like an 'R' tyre - cup/888/trofeo etc


the rears (ive used 305/30/19 (89y - i think) on the gt3) are called cup+ (on the sidewall as well) they have the extra groove in the tread. these are awesome and offer the same grip as original cups on the csl

ive had cup2's fitted to the gt3 since the end of last summer. they feel great. done 4 trackdays in them and have found them to be as good as original cup1's. lap times at least as good (slightly better - but might not be completely down to the tyres) feel like they offer the same level of grip but as its taken a few days to get the pressures right i think they may have better grip overall.

spoke to a michelin guy providing tyre support at a trackday, who suggested running them lower than cup1's.

on the gt3 i ran cup1's at 33psi 36psi rear hot. even 1-2 psi higher or lower felt less grip/less stable. he suggested ~31psi all round. though i have heard from other gt3 owners between 30-33psi works best. ive settled on 31/32 front and 33psi rear hot - which feels great

they are better in the wet than cup1's, still not fantastic though. but wouldnt expect, or really mind that much.

wear is much better. my current set has are less than half worn. so i expect 8-9 trackdays with road milage inbetween. i was getting about 6 days on cup1's on the gt3

hth

conleth

hi conleth

Great feedback, many thanks!
Exactly what I wanted to hear to be honest.
My next set will be cup2s and then I can also do a direct comparison on the CSL.

no probs alex, glad its useful! :thumbs:

They just added 265/35/18 track sizes too. Perfect timing for the season. Will try them once the cups are worn out.

I didn't try them personally but I recently had a long discussion with some engineers from both michelin and pirelli and they all summed up the Cup2 as the best street/track tire at the moment. Heats up faster for ease of daily use and better wet traction but for dry track use original Cups are still the ultimate Michelin.

Although that doesn't say it is the ultimate semi-slick. I also met and discussed with a few racing teams and highly modded record car owners that the ultimate semi-slick track tire is Pirelli Trofeo R. This is coming from teams whom used them all, tried Cup2 when it came out but quickly returned to Trofeo R.

They are a little on the expensive side but thanks to the production being here in Turkey makes them a tiny bit cheaper than their global prices.

I'll try to make the most of my cups this summer but when the weather cools down during autumn which is when we get our best times, I'll have a go with these highly regarded Trofeo R's.

Trying the Trofeo R is in my to-do list.
It's damn expensive though...

Ran a set of Cup2's 265 all round 18" setup at Croft recently. Not great in terms of outright grip but lots of fun even with getting black flagged. They handled the rain soaked drive back down the A1 well enough though.

I've never ran on any other cups but the way people rave about them I can only assume these cup 2's are nowhere near as good. Not bad for 600 sheets but by no means up there with the DZ03.