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jibber_monkey 01-08-2014 11:34 PM

So we pulled the sump off and started to have a nosey about the bottom end. Looks OK on first inspection, new chain, guides, ARP bolts all present, just as we'd been told.

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...6F432FF19B.jpg

Better give Terry a bell to check which shells he used to build up the bottom end.

"Sorry guys, I didn't build that engine."

OINK?!


jibber_monkey 01-08-2014 11:37 PM

Oh dear. Best take a closer look at this then...

The oil came out looking fresh and clean but let's check the sump

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...FE16530960.jpg

Pants. Hope none of that's steel...

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...FEFE461217.jpg

Oh Joy. Big chunks of steel.

Better get the rocker cover off

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...4F3AA10CDD.jpg

Now there's some marking on the cams but hopefully that's it right?

Let's check the plugs.

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...7506520DE8.jpg

Oh look a stick. An actual stick! Yup. That's a stick wedged down there next to the spark plug.

Can't get any worse can it?

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...81CB2F69B1.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...1E70343743.jpg

Oh yes. It can. What is that inside the sealed rocker cover? Sand. Yup. Actual big ass bits of sand.

So with a horrible sinking feeling we refit the rocker cover to protect it from any more heavy aggregate and start to strip the engine down.

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...2B521B983B.jpg

Can't see it too well here but the valves are covered in a dusty white coating. Not really ideal from a engine longevity perspective...

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...212C091632.jpg

I wonder what the water pump looks like?

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...B5FBE76240.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...6F9E49657E.jpg

Sludgy orangey black stuff? That's a good sign, right?!

Now I want to be 100% clear on this subject. We have spoken to Terry and this is NOT a Butler Motorsport engine. Terry has never had his hands inside this engine apart from fitting the ARP bolts before supplying it as a donor engine to a race team that wanted to build it themselves.

Our jobs for tomorrow:
- Taking the head off
- Wincing
- Prizing open the wallet for a full rebuild or worse
- Taking advice
- Having a conversation with the people that sold us this engine

Mark CSL 02-08-2014 01:07 PM

Love your posts :thumbs:

just goes to show how not to build an engine :banghead:

That would not have lasted long does the people who sold you the engine race in the same races as you :whistle:

jibber_monkey 05-08-2014 09:12 PM

Apologies for the delayed update. We've been getting the new unit finished and pointedly ignoring the stricken S54 sat in the corner.

After finally biting the bullet, we removed the head:

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...9567B39086.jpg

And peered into the bores:

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...3725C48B1E.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...41122EE7E5.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...2A265B9662.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...98D3ED37F7.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...AC7FE55287.jpg

So our recently refreshed "Butler Motorsport" engine has big chunks of steel in the sump, signs of piston slap, lean running and scored bores that at the very least need a hone and possibly a bore. It's off to the machine shop tomorrow for all the tolerances to be checked and the head and block to be crack and pressure tested.

Once we've got the news back from the machine shop we will be opening discussion with the people that (mis)sold us this motor... and depending on the outcome of that conversation. Naming and shaming.

Currently oh so very far from impressed.

jibber_monkey 14-08-2014 10:33 PM

Well this past week has been something of a mixed bag. So starting with the less than happy news...

We stripped the engine down, sent oil samples from the sump, filter housing and head off for analysis and sent the big metal bits off to the machine shop.

So we're we waiting with bated breath for the outcome of this in depth analysis?

Well no, not really. On top of the bore scoring and chunks of metal in the sump and lumps of sand in the head, take a look at the state of the rest of this motor:

A set of more than slightly second hand pistons and rods
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...ine/photo6.jpg

On closer inspection, I'm thinking this is a slightly misaligned big end shell
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...ine/photo7.jpg

A crank scored and pitted beyond repair
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...ne/photo15.jpg http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...ine/photo1.jpg http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...ine/photo2.jpg http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...ine/photo3.jpg
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...ine/photo4.jpg http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...ine/photo5.jpg


And with moving pictures too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gFKWsFSS20

Looking at the state of this follower, you may think this is bad, but fear not! The cam lobe has been worn to a handy 50 pence piece profile to match the wear pattern on the follower.

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...253EFA960A.jpg

We have made initial contact with the people that sold us this "good working order" "Butler Motorsport” engine but they have become mysteriously difficult to contact since sending them these images and video.

Still tomorrow's another day and we've made some half decent progress on the rest of the build...

jibber_monkey 14-08-2014 10:35 PM

To happier news...

Despite all sorts of engine related shenanigans, we got round to sorting the back end of the car, starting with a set of cleaned up and repainted driveshafts

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...07011384B4.jpg

A happy little diff installed

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...DE77A88CB5.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...F81BBEBFAA.jpg

And a random close up of the front suspension

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...80E9D266FA.jpg

outnumbered 15-08-2014 01:13 PM

That must be seriously annoying. Good luck with getting some compensation from the sellers...

jibber_monkey 15-08-2014 07:58 PM

Certainly more than a little annoying but we've made some good progress towards a settlement today. Hopefully we'll have it resolved before the end of the weekend and we can get cracking on a replacement engine.

For today's update we're finishing up the back axle, which means fitting our diff cooler and pump. Out came the custom loom for a (very) quick and dirty lay out in the car to check where best to mount the diff pump.

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...D3EB0A1A1C.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...8EE0DA99A8.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...C1BF5FB4F4.jpg

We also figured out where the rear firewall will be located. Next step is making up a template, then fabricating a firewall in carbon fibre.
In the meantime it's on with fitting the diff cooler and pump.

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...0458235B72.jpg

You may also notice a rogue driveshaft laying on the floor there. Turns out one of its universal joints is a bit graunchy so we'll fit another one next week.

shimmy 15-08-2014 09:09 PM

When you've finished this and got bored of it and cant sell it for decent money, can you PM me and ill have it, looks ace :smokin:

jibber_monkey 15-08-2014 09:15 PM

Oh alright then, seeing as it's you :-)


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