Csl register ring trip 2009

[mark csl]

How many of you would be up for a CSL register ring trip on the easter weekend ????

Not just for the trackday members all CSL owners are welcome to come and watch and if the wife says no bring her with you and they can all go shoping :hahaha:

[SMD]

I will defo be there! :smokin:

[GT TWO]

Im up for it.

Wouldnt mind doing Spa also on the way home.

[glendog74]

Will definitely be up for that Mark. It would be nice to do Spa too - only just over an hour away from the Ring :-D

[mark csl]

Ring 1 day spa the next great but i dont think my cups will last long :hahaha:

[M3CSLIRL]

Easter Wknd Weather can be Sun, Rain or Even Snow would a late in the Summer wknd be better?

[mark csl]

Easter Wknd Weather can be Sun, Rain or Even Snow would a late in the Summer wknd be better?

I am up for any time thats suites most members :thumbs:

[SMD]

Yea maybe a little later in the year for better weather! :smokin:

[cslbecks]

Im up for it regardless of date!!!

[E46ACS]

I'd prefer a later date myself.

[DazBlackCSL]

OK ... will see if the dates are avail tomorrow , and then we just need to agree on the best for majority ..

Once we have that then agreed CSL Ring and Spa trip is on !!

Reckon Budget for £400 / 500 quid all in , of course fuel can go on CC etc so can hide and justify from the boss !! :hahaha:

[dave1]

ring and spa im in

[david]

Easter weekend at the ring is a nightmare, to much people, you just can't drive, the track was closed many hours during the 3 days last year for crashes.

a week before of later regarding that Easter weekend would be better.

I love the idea anyway Csl meet at the ring of spa..

[cslbecks]

Good point David - not much point choosing a weekend when every man and his dog are going to be there.

[david]

the big problem on that weekend, is because it's a national day off for europeen countries before or just after for us French, belgium, german and dutch we just point a day off at work and it give is a 5 day holyday weekend so everybody goes there for at least 3 days.. and you just can't drive in fact

Normally on good weekend at the ring you can manage 15-20 laps of 2 days when it's a rush, (on Easter for exemple) most of my friend managed 6/8 laps... :smt011

[dave1]

weekdays?

[glendog74]

weekdays?

Agreed - a day or two either side of a weekend always works well. I tend to get most laps in on a Friday or Monday when it's quieter, then do more viewpoints/'car spotting' during the busier weekend :thumbs:

[RichW]

What i like about Easter is that the atmosphere is simply buzzing -more so than a normal weekend - downside is the large crowds mean more time queuing, more accidents, more dickheads on track and less laps for you! Plus the Pistenklause is too packed with 90% of the newbies having steak on a stone = stingy eyes! :bigcry:



I'll be there though at Easter regardless!! :hahaha:


Thurs/Fri/Sat on track, Sunday spectating, back on track Monday :smokin: Home Tuesday :bigcry:


Best laps are late Monday evening, the locals have gone home, and 75% of the Brits have gone home, you've just got to make sure you dont kill your tires too soon and miss out :thumbs:

[Andyk]

Maybe all depends on cost. As mentioned before baby due end of Jan so pennies a bit tight as wife not working for a year.

Later in the year would be better for me as Easter weekend is the wifes birthday. Could tell her I'm taking her to Europe for her birthday I suppose :whistle: ...so once things firmed up will let you know one way or other.

[DazBlackCSL]

Ok , im there at Easter regardless , come rain , shine or Snow as it was last year !.. so agree with all your comments , about how busy etc , so will look at dates after easter as it seems later is better for some , reckon June / July ish then , so depending on when its open Max , as some week days its only open from 4pm etc , so we can get max all day times in at everyones pace.

When the dates are released , I will get everyones opinion and as many DELMONTE's as I can , then book the hotel for everyone ... and the restaurant (http://www.am-tiergarten.de/en/restaurant/) Pistenklaus for all of us ...

Watch this space :thumbs: :beer:

[dave1]

i,ll be in anyway, but it was frustrating a few weeks ago waiting around all the time :banghead:

[whopwop]

I am out there usually once a month or there abouts during the seasion, so count me in.
With regards to Easter weekend, its usually a bloody disaster with a combination of weather / how busy it can be and therefore track closure !
would we be better off trying to head out the month after and also try to avoid ( and this may sound odd ) a UK bank holiday weekend as there are normally too many weekend bikers over.
If at all possible include a monday.
P.S. I dont think there is much point in trying to decide on a weekend until the T.F. dates are confirmed which as far as I am aware does not happen till about mid Feb when the V.L.N. series race dates are settled on.

[dave1]

what about a trackday? possibly shared with another club? circuit days had an open pit lane trackday early november for £219 which to me is abargain considering what it costs per lap on tf days

[SMD]

That Hotel looks spot on Daz! :beer:

I would like to go over Jun/July if possible?

Have 3 friends in there cars and my brother in his STI 9 Spec C Type RA! Will be a great few days!

[Andyk]

June July does sound better.

[E46ACS]

June/July we'll get a better chance of decent weather.

[windy]

Can I come along in my lowly M3? :gayfight:

[AlexGTT]

Definately up for a csl 'Ring weekend. Don't really want to bother with Easter weekend though for all the reasons previously mentioned. I go at least 4-5 times a year, so will happily hook up with you guys whenever you decide to go.

[cslbecks]

Windy - sell your M3 and put the £9.75 you get for it towards a CSL - and if your predictions are correct and you wait til Xmas you'll only have to find another £100 and you'll be in a proper Ring car!! :thumbs:

[windy]

£109.75? Bit optimistic there aren't you mate? :whistle:

[cslbecks]

Thats for a high miler matey - beggers cant be choosers!!! :hahaha:

[csl_mba]

Count me in for a ring trip, mmmmmm steak on a stone is nice & an Erdinger beer @ the Dorint or schnapps with the white glove :gayfight:

[SMD]

I am defo going to this! I have a few freinds also, making it 5 cars from this corner! :beer:

[mark csl]

Found this
http://nuerburgring.de/popup.php?title=Directions%20to%20N%FCrburgring&img=Karte_EinzugsgebietPixel2_01.jpg#

[DazBlackCSL]

Marky

We did this last easter as the ring was closed on Sat due to so much snow , so we went to the schumacer go karting place ... best track and Karts I have ever driven . worth doing deffo :thumbs:

[Bealo]

I'll be up for this, i'll keep an eye out on what dates are decided. Hopefully i will be back in UK on time off.

[whopwop]

Marky

We did this last easter as the ring was closed on Sat due to so much snow , so we went to the schumacer go karting place ... best track and Karts I have ever driven . worth doing deffo :thumbs:

Unfortunatly the kart track is now no more, it has beed demolished to facilitate redevelopment.

[DazBlackCSL]

WHAT !!!! :bigcry: lol

[J13NY S]

Are you sure about the Schumacher track? We were there about 4-5 weeks ago & it didn’t look like a place about to be knocked down.

Myself & a few friends are planning a trip at Easter, with a bit of luck it won’t snow this year!

Easter weekend is very busy but in a sense it adds to the atmosphere, granted I wouldn’t go if there was a possibility of snow, but we took the gamble & I suppose the positive was we got an opportunity to do a few laps of the GP track.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo167/j13nys/IMG_0708.jpg

[SMD]

Looks like fun! :smokin:

[DazBlackCSL]

That GP circuit was superb too , €20 euro's well spent !!

[AlexGTT]

I remember that weekend well. Spent most days in the bar or sledging with the locals! Awesome fun but the CSL was a bit of a challenge on Cups!! :bigcry:

[DazBlackCSL]

I had only picked up my CSL four days prior to it too ... so just getting to used to it in the snow !! lol

[SMD]

I had only picked up my CSL four days prior to it too ... so just getting to used to it in the snow !! lol

Love it, only had it 4days and at the ring! :thumbs:

[SMD]

Have any Track opening times for July been put up yet?

Woul like to try and get this booked up soon as a few friends need to get the time booked off work!

[Shake&Bake]

Would love to go aswell. Planning a trip around Europe next year in my new ickle baby. Do you guys normally stay in the same hotel each year? Is there better fun in some hotels than others any recomendations? Apologises if this has been covered in a previous post.

S&B

[glendog74]

Would love to go aswell. Planning a trip around Europe next year in my new ickle baby. Do you guys normally stay in the same hotel each year? Is there better fun in some hotels than others any recomendations? Apologises if this has been covered in a previous post.

S&B

I found the CSL just as good at touring as it is on track during my summer road trip this year. Comfier than i would have ever thought possible and dare i say even rather frugal when motorway cruising - for a 3.2ltr anyway! :smt023

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=713&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Regarding the Ring, I have stayed at the Ringhaus the last couple of times as there tends to be a few 'likeminded' car nuts in the bar in the evening. I stayed at the Hotel An Der Nordschleife before that but the bar was closed... I think most places are pretty good for similar money. You can't beat a hot stone steak in Sabine's mum's Tiergarten restaurant :beer:

[bryce]

Im game for this :thumbs:

June / July sounds a good idea to me - it'll give me a chance to do a few track days in the UK, as Im a track virgin :gayfight:

Is there any pubs / nightlife locally? :beer:

[bryce]

Ps. What road do us Scottish / Irish lads go?

[mark csl]

bryce86
You shall have to come up to knockhill when me gaz345 and derek are on
Track it wont be long till the virgin is no more :thumbs:

[bryce]

mark csl

:thumbs: Defo! Any planned soon?

[mark csl]

Not sure when the next 1 is i shall keep you posted :beer:

[DazBlackCSL]

Regarding the Ring, I have stayed at the Ringhaus the last couple of times as there tends to be a few 'likeminded' car nuts in the bar in the evening. I stayed at the Hotel An Der Nordschleife before that but the bar was closed... I think most places are pretty good for similar money. You can't beat a hot stone steak in Sabine's mum's Tiergarten restaurant :beer:[/quote]

I normally stay at the Tiergarten Hotel and block book the Restaurant there every eve as its the best IMOP , good banter with the car nuts out there and a 2 second walk to bed !! so happy to do that when the dates are out , if everyone is cool , and we have agreed on dates etc etc ... Sabines Sister runs it and normally lets us book up to 20 ish people on my CC to hold rooms

[dave1]

so happy to do that when the dates are out , if everyone is cool , and we have agreed on dates etc etc ... Sabines Sister runs it and normally lets us book up to 20 ish people on my CC to hold rooms[/quote]

thats really good of you thanks :thumbs:

[mark csl]

DazBlackCSL
I am up for this we just need dates sorted

Just 1 question is it a boys weekend ?? or do we bring the wifes ??

[bryce]

Just 1 question is it a boys weekend ?? or do we bring the wifes ??

It'll just be a lads weekend for me :drinkers:

Considering making a week of it, stop off in a city each night and check out the local public houses and wimmen :-D

[DazBlackCSL]

Think to be honest whatever goes ??

Im Happy either a boys weekend or with partners either way, probably best to leave it open ended .

Ive just mailed suzanne and these are the prices per room , which are twins so lads sharing half the cost , per night:

The price is 104,00 Euro per room/night, breakfast buffet included.

Please confirm the reservation nearer the time and leave your
credit card details to hold the guarantee until your arrival.

We would be glad to welcome you in our house.

Best regards from the Nürburgring.

HOTEL AM TIERGARTEN

Susanne Schmitz

[bryce]

Sweet

Does Susanne look like he sis? :whistle:

[SMD]

So it looks like a group booking would be best for hotels etc!
I have a few mates wanting to come, just let me know the dates!

[J13NY S]

I remember that weekend well. Spent most days in the bar or sledging with the locals! Awesome fun but the CSL was a bit of a challenge on Cups!! :bigcry:

Ditto spent most of that weekend throwing snowballs at each other. Had Cups on too, biggest problem tho was getting back to the B&B one night. Funny thing was until that weekend my car was hardly ever driven in the rain never mind feckin snow.

Can’t discuss all our antics but what was rapidly turning into a disastrous weekend ended a very enjoyable one or as we say here… the craic was good.

[J13NY S]

Ps. What road do us Scottish / Irish lads go?

bryce86 we go Belfast - Stranraer then Hull - Rotterdam, so you could join the convoy on the A75. I think its approx 400 miles shorter for us plus you get a few hours sleep on the Hull - Rotterdam crossing & the craic is usually good to.

I like your car with the spacers, looks mint. I was reading your post about the geometry set up to, I would suggest going to someone who can do the job right even if that means a bit of an excursion, always worth the extra effort. Just my 2p’s worth.

[E46ACS]

If I am on the same trip, you can join us NE lads as we get the ferry from Newcastle to Amsterdam!

[bryce]

bryce86 we go Belfast - Stranraer then Hull - Rotterdam, so you could join the convoy on the A75. I think its approx 400 miles shorter for us plus you get a few hours sleep on the Hull - Rotterdam crossing & the craic is usually good to.

I like your car with the spacers, looks mint. I was reading your post about the geometry set up to, I would suggest going to someone who can do the job right even if that means a bit of an excursion, always worth the extra effort. Just my 2p’s worth.

That sounds more like it - is a fair trek to Dover! Im only 75 miles from Stranraer.

Thank you, Im chuffed with the results. Its going to another local dealer next week to get the geo - theyve got good kit and the lads know what theyre doing. Costing £115 but it'll be worth it.

ps. you didnt happen to be nr Dumfries during the summer? Seen two CSLs chasing an Evo once, and have seen an Irish-un with WJZ plate.

If I am on the same trip, you can join us NE lads as we get the ferry from Newcastle to Amsterdam!

Just had a look @ this route, saves us another 200 miles round vs Hull. Any reason why you dont go this way J13NY S?

[J13NY S]

2 CSLs & a white EVO 5, ya that probably would have been myself, donkcsl & a friend of ours on the way back from The Ring. We usually don’t hang about on the A75... even if we’re on time for the ferry! :wink: One of my favourite roads, use to love driving it at night. Not sure who WJZ is tho.

We haven’t used the Newcastle – Amsterdam crossing before but I’m sure it’s worth us taken a look, the P&O from Hull seems very popular tho.

[J13NY S]

If I am on the same trip, you can join us NE lads as we get the ferry from Newcastle to Amsterdam!

Keep us posted on developments your end, we’ll probably be sorting this after Christmas.

[Andyk]

DazBlackCSL
I am up for this we just need dates sorted

Just 1 question is it a boys weekend ?? or do we bring the wifes ??

Wife for me...don't think I would get away with a trip to Europe and the ring without the other half coming along...especially as she is a petrol head as well.

[bryce]

2 CSLs & a white EVO 5, ya that probably would have been myself, donkcsl & a friend of ours on the way back from The Ring. We usually don’t hang about on the A75... even if we’re on time for the ferry! :wink: One of my favourite roads, use to love driving it at night.

:hahaha: Brilliant. Is was on the 'Glen' (climbing lane / dual) that we seen ya's, giving it some hefty up over :smt055 I figured it'd be some lads returning from the Ring.

75s an awesome road if you can keep up with them mad wagon drivers!

[bryce]

Whats the ferry costs for Hull or Newcastle route? Ive just had a quote of £230ish and £300ish respectively (car+driver+passenger). Fri - Mon in June.

[J13NY S]

Whats the ferry costs for Hull or Newcastle route? Ive just had a quote of £230ish and £300ish respectively (car+driver+passenger). Fri - Mon in June.

Ya quote sounds about right, then we have an extra crossing which is rather expensive at the moment makes the Hull crossing seem outstanding value.

The lorry drivers don’t hang around on the 75 either, remember following them early one morning… wasn’t long before we were on the M6.

[dave1]

ive booked ring and spa with the mlr in may now so could only do a csl trip if it was later in the year ie sept oct time would be ideal for me :thumbs:

[SMD]

As above i am 99% sure i am going to book the MLR days so unless this is sorted then later in the year for me also!

[MichCSL]

If i have found the right car for the right price i will be enthousiast for driving with this group to the Ring.

[bryce]

You'll be more than welcome Mich! What you driving just now anyway?

[MichCSL]

Just a normal black 525d M-pack. Once you'r driving BMW its very tasty. I'm planning to selling because the car has to much space for what i needed.

[bryce]

Bring it along. You can come a spin round the Ring with me if you've not got your own by then.

[MichCSL]

Thanks a lot bryce, very kind of you. :beer:

[monkeycsl]

What do you guys do about insurance been there bout seven years now, always uninsured its so busy now and the bikes are a lottery.Hate to think of the consequences of a liable :banghead: claim from a biker or car that decides to swerve across track as you overtaking them.For me its starting to take the shine of the place. :banghead: [/img]

[glendog74]

What do you guys do about insurance

I go with Moris Insurance. Not exactly cheap but worth it IMHO.

[derek]

i used Morris as the excess is less for similiar policies, they cover the ring but dont know if they will do a weekend policy. Any recommendations for insurance at the ring

[glendog74]

i used Morris as the excess is less for similiar policies, they cover the ring but dont know if they will do a weekend policy. Any recommendations for insurance at the ring

Moris have done all my Ring trips - from 1 - 4 days cover :thumbs:

[derek]

do you think we could get a group discount as its the in topic at the moment :thumbs:

[glendog74]

Mmmm, not so sure about that... Problem is they are one of the very few companies that offer cover outside the UK. Would be nice though!

[whopwop]

Any dates decided on yet for the ring trip ?

[bryce]

Sure is :thumbs:

These dates actually look better than the original ones , as its out Friday 24th July its open 14.15 till 19.30 on Friday , (out AM full PM on ring) , upon arrival , and FULL 2 days Sat & Sun at 08.00 - 19.30 , Rtn on Sunday ?

Friday, 24.07.09 14:15 until 19:30 h
Touristenfahrten, 24.07.2009
(Nordschleife)
Saturday, 25.07.09 08:00 until 19:30 h
Touristenfahrten, 25.07.2009
(Nordschleife)
Sunday, 26.07.09 08:00 until 19:30 h
Touristenfahrten, 26.07.2009
(Nordschleife)

Prob the best times , all year looking at it
Link (http://www.cslregister.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1114&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60url) Page 5, new dates cos original clashed with Daz + CSL Cup

Im getting the ferry out on Friday 24th to be @ Ring for Sat lunch, and leaving Sunday night (ferry @ 9pm).

Though there is talk of Spa on the Monday, so might stay longer.

Few Scottish boys going:

Mark + Neil
Gaz345 + 1
Bryce+1
Derek +1

See all here: Click (http://www.cslregister.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1172&start=30url)


You in?

[whopwop]

Ill be there so, Im bringing the car out in April / May and leaving it with Black Falcon Racing for the season.
http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/Belowaverageiq/csl/clean.jpg

Ill put the date in the diary and make sure im there

[mark csl]

Me Gaz and derek and neil are going.
from Hull thursday 23 return Tuesday 28 back to Hull.

Hull overnight ferry to Rotterdam. 9PM sailing £308 return car +2 people (subject to change till booked )
with a cabin. Party on the boat

If any 1 wants to go with us let me know we are booking the ferry in 2 weeks

http://www.poferries.com/tourist/

[SMD]

I think i will go the same boat Mark! As said in the last thread let me know when sorting bookings etc! :beer:

[bryce]

5 CSL convoy to the Ring :drool:

:thumbs:

[bryce]

whopwop

Car looks stunning on LMs mate, always wondered what it'd look like.

Any chance of some more pics?

[DazBlackCSL]

Im doing Le Shuttle , anyone else doing that ?

Going to book it this week , prob 8 ish so will be at calais 8.45 , then can meet up with some of you on route I guess :-D

[whopwop]

whopwop

Car looks stunning on LMs mate, always wondered what it'd look like.

Any chance of some more pics?
Hi Bryce, Ill put up a few later on

[bryce]

Good man, thanks.

[Mark83]

I go with Moris Insurance. Not exactly cheap but worth it IMHO.
I seem to remember when I looked in the past that Moris only insure your rolling chassis and not the minimum 3rd party cover required to drive the Nordschleife during Touristenfahrten.

[Hazy]

sorry to be a numpty guys, what month is this?? July????

[Nords]

Easter is April, matey!

[csl_mba]

Im going on 1st - 5th May tagging along with the MLR for the Spa day :)

[mark csl]

sorry to be a numpty guys, what month is this?? July????


It is in july Hazy the friday till monday we are going newcastle /amsterdam on the 23 back to newcastle on the tuesday morning if you want to travel with the Scottish mob :hahaha:

[bryce]

sorry to be a numpty guys, what month is this?? July????

Yup, July mate. 24th to 26th. Some are thinking of doing Spa on monday/tuesday (its a two day event).

Friday, 24.07.09 14:15 until 19:30 h
Touristenfahrten, 24.07.2009
(Nordschleife)
Saturday, 25.07.09 08:00 until 19:30 h
Touristenfahrten, 25.07.2009
(Nordschleife)
Sunday, 26.07.09 08:00 until 19:30 h
Touristenfahrten, 26.07.2009
(Nordschleife)

Think there's an easter trip happening too but I wasnt following it.

[bryce]

I can see why Hazy is getting confused though... For some reason there's been a poll added to the top of this for "Ring Trip Easter 2009".

Hmmm?

[Hazy]

Im going on 1st - 5th May tagging along with the MLR for the Spa day :)

Easter is April, matey!

It is in july Hazy the friday till monday we are going newcastle /amsterdam on the 23 back to newcastle on the tuesday morning if you want to travel with the Scottish mob :hahaha:

I can see why Hazy is getting confused though... For some reason there's been a poll added to the top of this for "Ring Trip Easter 2009".

Hmmm?

I dont seem to be the only one confused :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[SMD]

There are 2 trips maybe thats why ppl are getting mixed up?:hahaha:

[bryce]

The majority are going in July (last count was around 10 CSLs) so get in for that!

[SMD]

Should be some good pics in July with 10 CSL's!:thumbs:

[Kristof Boels]

Let me know on which dates you guys will be there. I'll try to be there aswell to take the pictures. ;)

[glendog74]

Let me know on which dates you guys will be there.

Hi Kristof,

The main event that a fair few are going on is:

Fri 24 July - Mon 27 Jul (RING)

There are a few others going independently on an earlier trip with the MLR in May who will also be going to Spa.

Sat 2 May - Sun 3 May (RING)
Mon 4 May (SPA)

Rob :thumbs:

[Kristof Boels]

Thanks a lot, Rob! :smt023 That's making it a bit easier for me. I'll try to be there to take the pictures and whenever I have a CSL on pic I'll post it on here. ;)

[csl_mba]

Nice one Kristof, you might have trouble snapping a black one as they are faster :whistle::thumbs:

[glendog74]

Thanks a lot, Rob! :smt023 That's making it a bit easier for me. I'll try to be there to take the pictures and whenever I have a CSL on pic I'll post it on here. ;)

No worries Kristof ;)

[whopwop]

Who are the guys that are going in May, I'm not too sure if Ill be able to make the July trip but It looks like I will be out there for the May dates.

[csl_mba]

Who are the guys that are going in May, I'm not too sure if Ill be able to make the July trip but It looks like I will be out there for the May dates.

There isnt an official CSL Register trip but a few of us (in different groups) will be there on the 2-3rd may then on to Spa on the 4th - we are tagging on with the MLR i think ;)

[glendog74]

Me and dave1 are going with the MLR lot, i think E46ACS is possibly going too. I think AlexGTT, Shimmy & Nathan may be doing Spa only on the 4th? :thumbs:

[bryce]

I am no longer able to make this trip (July). Absolutely gutted :(

Have fun though the rest of ya's :birdman:

[mark csl]

Bryce
Are you not going to the ring with us now ?

[bryce]

Im afraid not :(

[mark csl]

It won’t be long now:thumbs:
The excitement grows i have never been to the ring so it will be good as i am on the wrong side of 40 now
:hahaha:

But i am sure that wont slow me down :whistle:

[northernjim]

has anyone booked hotels and ferries for the july trip then????


i might try and come with you guys work permitting- see if robs car is any faster on those red rims:hahaha::hahaha::bigcry:



evening everyone by the way..... non csl owner here :thumbs:

[glendog74]

has anyone booked hotels and ferries for the july trip then????


Hi Jim! I think everyone is booked already - out on 24th, return on 27th. We're all staying in AM Tiergarten i think. I have a spare seat in the CSL if you fancy it?! :whistle:

[mark csl]

Us scots are going newcastle amsterdam if you want to tag along i can let you have the ferry details :thumbs:

[spanner]

I'll be travelling from north west approx 5am start to be at the ring on sat afternoon on the Saturday 25th July.

will be staying at pistenklause on sat & Sunday and doing Spa Monday & Tuesday with BAT. Coming home on Tue night.

Can't wait. Loooking forward to seeing a few of you there.

Cheers

Rich

[spanner]

correction!! Am Tiuergarten now full - looking like I will be at the Blau Ecke!

[neil]

Rich - get in touch with dazblackcsl regarding availability

[neil]

thread now locked - please use other thread...

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=983&page=17